March 31, 2003
Richard Poe (the end)
Richard Poe took my tongue-in-cheek comment about jinxing his site as the launching point of yet another comment on my ingratitude:
Mr. Pontikos, I have not heard you utter the words, "Thank you" for all the free publicity I am giving you, but I will nonetheless say, "You're welcome." That way, at least one of us will be practicing common courtesy.
Thank you very much Mr. Poe for all the publicity. While I am critical of your book and of your various writings, I acknowledge that unlike other individuals whom I have criticized, you extend the courtesy of linking to my criticism.
And, I'm truly sorry that the intent of my "jinxing" comment was ambiguous. I sincerely hope that you overcome your technical problems as soon as possible.
Update: This will be my last comment in this particular debate. I'm rather sorry that my posts in the Afrocentrism category got sidetracked to personal exchanges with Mr. Poe. Inasmuch as that is partly my fault, I apologize.
Posted by Dienekes at March 31, 2003 05:05 PM | PermaLink
HEY POE,
I KNOW YOU READ THIS BLOG MALAKESMENOU GYFTOS SO HERE ARE A FEW THOUGHTS .
YOU ARE A DISPICABLE ENEMY OF GREEK PEOPLE .
YOU ARE ANTI WHITE
YOUR A PHONY CONSERVITIVE ( IN REALITY YOUR A MARXIST LIKE YOUR BUDDY BERNAL THAT HIDES UNDER A CONSERVATIVE AGENDA-(BTW I AM GREEK AMERICAN (100% GREEK BY BLOOD MANIATI/ MACEDONIAN. UNLIKE YOU I DO NOT HAVE MIXED ANCESTRY TO FEEL INSECURE ABOUT -AS YOU STATE IN YOUR BLOG )AS I REAPEATED BEFORE I NOT A GREEK NATIONAL .
I SEE THAT YOU ALSO MISREPRESENT THE HISTORY OF LEBONESE PEOPLE (PHONICEANS).YOU ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EGYPTIANS THAT DISAGEE WITH THE WAY YOU REPRESENTED THEIR HISTORY AND WHITE MEXICANS WHO ARE PROUD OF THEIR EUROPEAN SPANISH HERITAGE.
YOU ALSO BELEIVE YOUR A PROPHET SINCE YOU PREACH THE GOSPEL TO DIENEKES .
NO DIENEKES IS NOT LEADING ANY GREEK CRUSADE NOR DOES DIENEKES CLAIM TO BE A LEADER.I DISAGREE WITH DIENEKES ON CERTAIN POINTS .HOWEVER, WE SHARE A COMMON INTREST IN DEFENDING OUR HELLENIC ANCESTRY FROM PARASITES LIKE YOU WHO WISH TO REWRITE OUR HISTORY FOR YOUR TWISTED AGENDA.AS FOR GREEK NATIONALIST TYPES http://www.metopo.gr/start_en.htm , YOU SHOULD LOOK THEM UP NEXT TIME YOUR IN GREECE AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK OF YOUR IDEAS- PSEFTIES
I DOUBT THEY WOULD CONSIDER YOUR BOOK THE WORK OF A PHIL HELLENE
ANYHOW POE ONCE AGAIN
: EXPOSING RICHARD POE
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DORIC GREEK ... 2003-03-31
Richard Poe the Author of a Black Fire White Spark has proven by his recent actions that he is unable to defend and unwilling to defend the premise on which he basis his book. The general theme of Poe's book is that so called black Egyptians colonized and civilized Europe via ancient Hellas. A recent example of is Poe's response to Dienekes Pontikos.Dienekes points out some serious flaws regarding Poe's interpitation of Greek history. Poe rather then defending his position in his book tries to change the topic to how Dienekes defines whiteness or caucasian.
Of course this is typical of Poe when he is confronted. I presented Poe with all factual information regarding the physical anthrometric data of the Greeks since antiquity. It is proven and documented that Greeks since antiquity are composed of various WHITE RACIAL TYPES native to Europe. The leading Physical Anthropologist who have studied the morphology of Greek remains include Carleton Coon ,GL Angel,Aris Poulianos,Baker,Roland Dixon , F. G. Debetz .All are in general agreement general that Greeks since early antiquity have been composed of an Alpine/Dinarid (robust stocky central -southeastern european balkan type ) with strong mediteranean (gracile slim brunette southern european type of the mediteranean coastal areas ) and weak nordic links. ( tall slim Scandinavian or northern european type).When confronted by with the facts I presented him , Poe responded by claiming I was ruthlessly attacking him or that I was rude ect. Poe kept on asking me what the following conclusions from the leading anthropological experts have to do with his book that states afrosemetic roots for Greece. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that if afrosemetic negroid types had a major role in ancient Greece that there would be plenty of skeletal remains uncovered to confirm their presence.Poe does mention GL Angel in his book but he avoids Angel's basic conclusions. Poe states in his historical fiction book that black Egyptians played a significant role in Mycenaean Greece. However, GL Angel concludes that the central trend of the warrior Aristocracy of Mycenae was a robust Alpine/Dinarid type which Poulianos refers to as an Epiroti type native to northern Greece from the area around Mt Olympus ..http://www.aee.gr/english/4greeks_origin/greeks_origin.html Poe obviously is not mentally capable of comprehending the works of GL Angel .Angel referred to other skeletal types associated with ancient Greece as Iranian Nordic classic Mediterranean ect.Of course Poe avoids discussing such realities because he has very limited knowledge of Greek history .His main source is a propaganda piece written by his idol the MARXIST MARTIN BERNAL called Black Athena.
Martin Bernal an a ASIAN STUDIES instructor who over night became a Classical Greek scholar while he was getting in touch with his called so Semitic CANANITE roots (as Bernal himself states) is Poe's idea of what a ancient Greek historian is all about.Also Poe's degree in creative writing (a good degree for writing fiction novels) is his main educational credential for his so called Ancient Greek expertise.So we have an Asian Studies instructor and Journalist trained as a creative writer who claim to have made new discoveries into Greek origins while real classical like Dr Nicholas Hammond
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0%2C4273%2C4165439%2C00.html who have dedicated their life to Classical Greek history have a totally different version.
Now what is the motive of Bernal a Marxist and Poe (A Marxist hiding under a conservative agenda)
Bernal states he does not like the ARYAN theory of German historians. Poe states Neo Nazis are his enemies .Of course we do know that the Nazis did try to link themselves as to ancient Hellas via the Aryan race .Poe and Bernal via their ethnic back round have a valid reason for wanting to fight against NAZI ideology, however, that does not give them the right to rewrite the history of Greek people in order to pursue their crusade. Poe mentions in one of his blogs the following - While I cannot claim to be entirely free of hang-ups, insecurities and unexamined emotions regarding my own somewhat mixed ancestry-http://www.richardpoe.com/blog.php-So Poe has a problem with his somewhat mixed ancestry so he wishes other people to be mongrelized so that he can feel better about his own insecurity from his somewhat mixed ancestry. That explains why Poe got bent out of shape when he was presented with the fact that Greeks have strong genetic continuity with their ancient ancestors.
The following conclusion can be made about Richard Poe –
1. He is an enemy of Greek people since he wishes to distort their history.
2 Poe is a anti white –This is evident since he goes out of his way to disassociate Greek history and
Greek people from the white race despite the evidence that Greeks since recorded history are composed of various white racial types native to the Balkans.
2. Poe has a problem with white pride types so he wishes to purposely and maliciously falsify the
history of Greek people as a means of dealing with his so called enemies.
3 Poe has a problem with his own mixed ancestry as he states himself and he wishes to label people who are not racial mixed as mixed as means of deal with his insecurities.
4 Poe runs away from defending his position when challenged by making accusations that he is being abused or completely changing the topic.
5. Finally the theories mentioned in Poe’s book Black Fire white Spark should be given the same
amount of respect as the Space Alien theories