Since like I've said you're obsessed with France for God knows what reason, how about posting the other pictures you like so much, the ones from..Ripley (black and white photos of a French Nordic, Alpine, Mediteranean and Dinaric if I'm not mistaken)??

ps do you actually own a copy of one of Montandon's works or did you get those pics from a website?

>> Since like I've said you're obsessed with France for God knows what reason, how about posting the other pictures you like so much,

I'm not obsessed at all. I posted some Russian racial types earlier, and now I posted some French ones. In the future, I may post some others.

>> ps do you actually own a copy of one of Montandon's works or did you get those pics from a website?

These were included in the chapter on France of Renato Biasutti's Le razze ei popoli della terra with an informative caption as to their origin.

they all look about the same to me.

generic white guy.

Dienekes, I don't believe that you're not obsessed with France, but I don't want to get into an argument over such a meaningless topic. Anyway, I looked back at the Ripley photos you posted on the Ancient Mediteranean Yahoo! Group and noticed that Ripley's example of a French Nordic and his example of a French Mediteranean looked much more like one another (and French) then either did to the French Alpine (who looks like a Romanian or something similiar). And do you think that if Nordics were (your own words) 'rare' in France Ripley (and many other anthropologists) would have included them as one of France's main sub-races?

>> And do you think that if Nordics were (your own words) 'rare' in France Ripley (and many other anthropologists) would have included them as one of France's main sub-races?

Ripley did not include Nordics, but 'Teutonics' as one of France's main sub-races. In Ripley's scheme, the blonds are all Teutonics, the broad-heads Alpines, the brunet long-heads Mediterraneans.

There are doubtlessly absorbed Nordic racial elements in France, but the Nordic type, defined as light-haired, light-eyed, long-headed, and narrow-faced is not a very common occurrence in the French population.

"Ripley did not include Nordics, but 'Teutonics' as one of France's main sub-races. In Ripley's scheme, the blonds are all Teutonics, the broad-heads Alpines, the brunet long-heads Mediterraneans."

That's wrong, because his example of a French 'Teuton' is indeed Nordic. And he used a blond person as an example of a French Alpine. And a dark haired person as an example of a Teuton.

"There are doubtlessly absorbed Nordic racial elements in France, but the Nordic type, defined as light-haired, light-eyed, long-headed, and narrow-faced is not a very common occurrence in the French population."

What qualifies you to make that observation? All the anthropologists say that Nordics are very common in the north of France. Sorry to disapoint you.

>> hat's wrong, because his example of a French 'Teuton' is indeed Nordic.

That is irrelevant. A Nordic is a 'Teutonic' in Ripley's scheme. One of Ripley's 'Teutonics' is not however necessarily a Nordic.

>> And he used a blond person as an example of a French Alpine.

He did not. His French Alpine was dark haired.

>> And a dark haired person as an example of a Teuton.

Inasmuch as I can tell, no. B/W photos are not good to judge hair color anyway.

>> What qualifies you to make that observation? All the anthropologists say that Nordics are very common in the north of France. Sorry to disapoint you.

That is incorrect. I refer you to Coon's relevant chapter. According to Montandon, referenced by Coon, there is only 1% Nordic in France. There are absorbed Nordic elements in hybrid form, but not many Nordics as one expects to find in NW Germany, Scotland, or Sweden.

My problem with this assumption of you and maybe Montandon too is that what you said would mean that only absolutely pure members of a race are members of it.
I dont think that this reasonable.
1. If you think like this there would be f.e. in most parts of greece not that much mediteraneans what is obviously absurd.
Especially in Northern France (Normandy, border to belgium and Elsaß-Lothringen Nordics are quite common under the native french people.
To say that there are only 1 % would mean that there are almost no french people which you could classify to any race cause the lack of purity.