May 28, 2003

The Fallmerayer Thesis in the Light of Genetic Evidence

Jacob Fallmerayer stirred quite a controversy in the 19th century by proposing that the Hellenic nation had perished in the Middle Ages by admixture with Slavs and Albanians.

We are now in a position, through genetic evidence to evaluate this thesis, at least with respect to the question of Slavic settlements.

Slavs are distinguished by having a specific Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a, or HG3, or Eu19. This reaches frequencies of higher than 50% in Poles and decreases significantly in non-Slavic populations. The "Macedonians" of FYROM, the Slavic population immediately to the north of Greece have frequencies of R1a of 35%.

We must warn that R1a itself is not a Slavic marker. This means that any particular R1a sequence could, or could not be of Slavic origin. But, a population that has mixed with Slavs is likely to show this in relatively high levels of R1a.

Ornella Semino published a study in Science 290: 1155 in which the levels of R1a (which she calls Eu19 are given in various populations. Greeks have 11.8%, that is about 1/6 that of the Hungarians, who top the list at 60%. The Hungarians are not Slavs, but from the genetic standpoint they could very well be of Slavic origin, converted linguistically by the Asiatic Magyars. The Poles at 56.4% are the highest Slavic population.

We must note that ancient Slavic groups at the time of the Slavic dispersals probably had even higher levels of R1a. After all, Poles and Hungarians are themselves only partly Slavic in origin, and the result of admixture of a predominantly Slavic element with indigenous pre-Slavic ones. As a result, it is likely that at the time of their migrations, the Slavs had even higher frequencies of R1a.

R1a did not originate with the Slavs (that is why it is not a Slavic marker). Its origins in a Eastern European refugium after the Last Glacial Maximum means that it has had plenty of time to spread across the continent even to places where Slavs were never present. For example, its frequency in Syrians at a frequency of 10%, close to that of Greece, in the Saami of Scandinavia at 10%, Turks at 6.6% and in Albanians in 9.8%. It is even found in the Dutch, at a frequency of 3.7%, a population that has been largely unaffected by any Slavonic incursion. Given that Greece is closer to the area where R1a probably originated, it is very likely that R1a lineages would have been part of early population elements of the Balkans.

Thus, we know that at least a part of 11.8% of R1a in Greeks is of pre-Slavic origin. We also know that the ancient Slavs had frequencies of it in excess of 50%. It's hard to quantify the exact percentages, but I will give an educated guess, that 5% of R1a lineages in Greece are of Slavic origin, while the ancient Slavs had it in frequency of 75%. The picture is not much different if we change these numbers, but they will do for now. As a result, the Slavonic influence in Greece turns out to be about 7%, an almost exact match for the figure given by Vasiliev in his History of the Byzantine Empire based on demographic considerations.

This figure might turn out to be less, or slightly more. Better resolution using markers distinguishing R1a chromosomes might provide us with additional information. But, the conclusion seems unavoidable, that the contribution of Slavs to the Greek gene pool (if any) is very limited, certainly not enough to extinguish the noble Hellenic nation as Fallmereyer had proposed.

Posted by Dienekes at May 28, 2003 01:01 AM | PermaLink
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"Noble Hellenic nation" ceased to exist long before any Slavs arrived, with disappearance of Corded Nordics, original Hellenes, who brought the IE language (ancient Greek) and culture to what is now Greece, and created the Greek civilization.

Posted by: EGR at May 28, 2003 04:24 AM

" Corded Nordics" ha ha ha ha ha What is this? another imaginary category of McCulloch?

Posted by: joke at May 28, 2003 08:51 PM

Excellent topic! I have heard somewhere that Fallmereyer conducted his "analysis" from Northern Europe and did not even visit Greece!

Posted by: Nika at May 29, 2003 08:34 PM

I'd agree with all of that.

Greeks just don't look Slavic. They're too dark and hairy. Seriously.

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Posted by: Toni Richard Turk at July 30, 2003 02:24 PM

But according to Semino (see link below), the Greeks are closely related to the Albanians. Are you saying that Greeks and Albanians were closely related to each other in ancient times or that modern Albanians are descended from ancient Greeks?

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/290/5494/1155?ijkey=x50siGBF3JB0I

Posted by: Diarmid Logan at August 19, 2003 10:51 AM

Albanians are also descended to a great degree from the indigenous population of the South Balkan peninsula, like the Greeks. Hence, it is not surprising that they are related to the Greeks.

Posted by: Dienekes at August 20, 2003 12:09 AM

The Nordicists who state ancient Greeks who introduced cultural sophistication to the Mediterranean were of northern European ancestry have no archeological evidence of any culturally-advanced civilization from which their blond ancient Greeks derived. Cultural advancement, as beginning in ancient Egypt and Greece, moved from south to north in Europe, not vice-versa. Cultural sophistication, the cornerstone of Western civilization, developed in Greece, probably from relatively diverse population elements; it didn't spread to Greece from elsewhere--especially from Northern Europe.

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Posted by: Toni Richard Turk at January 6, 2004 01:11 PM

well,frequency of r1 in serbian populatuion.....???

Posted by: Poka at April 13, 2004 03:10 PM

I'm not aware of a study quantifying the frequency of R1a in Serbs.

Posted by: Dienekes at April 13, 2004 05:20 PM

For your information, not all the Greeks are dark and hairy as you put it. I know that because i used to live in Greece and fortunately, your poor comments are clearly illogical! :-)

And also, Greeks have NOTHING in common with Albanians! You must be blind!

Posted by: Jimmy at May 22, 2004 01:45 PM