July 08, 2004

Haplogroup Ages

This post will be devoted to information about the ages of human Y chromosome haplogroups and subhaplogroups. Likely origin in [].

Am. J. Hum. Genet., 75:128-137, 2004:


I* 24 ± 7.1 ky [Gravettians]
I1a 8.8 ± 3.2 ky [Franco-Cantabria]
I1b* 7.6 ± 2.7 ky [Balkans]
I1b2 8 ± 4 ky [Iberia/S France]
I1c 13.2 ± 2.7 ky [same as I1a?]

Am. J. Hum. Genet., 74:1014-1022, 2004:


E3b 25.6 (95%: 24.3-27.4) ky [eastern Africa]
E-M78 23.2 (95%: 21.1–25.4) ky [eastern Africa]
E-M78α 7.8 (95%: 6.3–9.2) ky [Europe]
E-M78β 5.2 (95%: 3.2–7.5) ky [NW Africa]
E-M78γ 9.6 (95%: 7.2–12.9) ky [eastern Africa]
E-M78δ 14.7 ± 2.7 ky [eastern Africa]
E-M81 5.6 (95%: 4.6–6.3) ky [N Africa]
E-M34 [Near East]

Posted by Dienekes at July 8, 2004 10:21 PM | PermaLink
Comments

"On the basis of these data, we suggest that cluster δ was involved in a first dispersal or dispersals of E-M78 chromosomes from eastern Africa into northern Africa and the Near East."

Thought Writes:

Two points. 1) This is consistent with my proposal that Africans moved into Eurasia during the mesolithic period and 2) That these Black Africans were in part responsible for the Neolithic of the Near East. Hence the date of 7.8 kya (after the expansion of East Africans into Eurasia) for E-M78α is reasonable.

Posted by: Thought at July 9, 2004 06:49 PM

>> Two points. 1) This is consistent with my proposal that Africans moved into Eurasia during the mesolithic period and 2) That these Black Africans were in part responsible for the Neolithic of the Near East.

Hold it Sherlock, how did Africans of (1) become "Black" Africans of (2)?

Posted by: Dienekes at July 9, 2004 07:37 PM

{Hold it Sherlock, how did Africans of (1) become "Black" Africans of (2)?}

Thought Writes:

Every NE African (Egyptian) series from Nazlet Khater to Wadi Kubbaniyan to Gebel Sahaba to Badari are consistent with tropical Africans. The paper CLEARY states that E-M78δ originated in east Africa and SPREAD TO North Africa. Humans that live in Africa south of the Tropic of Cancer are known as BLACK.

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Posted by: Thought at July 9, 2004 08:37 PM

Don't post the same bullshit again and again.

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Posted by: Dienekes at July 9, 2004 09:23 PM

I thought it would come down to the fact that you have no true response. Bottom line, Africans colonized Eurasia during the early Holocene and they set the stage for the so-called neolithic revolution. Your childish response is telling.

Posted by: Thought at July 9, 2004 09:41 PM

>> Bottom line, Africans colonized Eurasia during the early Holocene and they set the stage for the so-called neolithic revolution.

Bottom line is that 33,000-year-old skulls from Africa have nothing to do with the Near Eastern Neolithic.

The Neolithic was started by Gracile and Robust Mediterranean Caucasoids (cf. Mellaart in "The Neolithic and the Near East").

PS: No more irrelevant/useless/repetitive posts.

Posted by: Dienekes at July 9, 2004 10:04 PM

{No more irrelevant/useless/repetitive posts.}

Thought Writes:

[insult removed]

We are not debating 33,000 year old skulls, we are discussing the fact that the current genetic analysis demonstrates population movements from tropical/Black Africa to Eurasia during the early Holocene (at the advent of animal and plant domestication).

Posted by: Thought at July 10, 2004 10:55 AM

Current genetic analysis indicates that the Neolithic was brought into Africa by Near Eastern Afro-Asiatic speakers

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Posted by: Dienekes at July 10, 2004 12:37 PM

{Current genetic analysis indicates that the Neolithic was brought into Africa by Near Eastern Afro-Asiatic speakers}

Thought Writes:

Genetic analysis of HUMANS tells us very little about the origins of Afro-Asiatic (linguistics) or the origins of technology (archaeology). Linguistic analysis places the home of the Afro-Asiatic phylum in East Africa. Genetic analysis and archaeological data in the Eastern Desert of Egypt relates the Egyptian Neolithic to the Cattle pastoralists of this region.

Posted by: Thought at July 11, 2004 10:32 AM
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